just i read about 2000 bahis of egypt . though i belong to minority community of india but we never face such bad treatment by government. please read following paste!
Satanic" Baha'is seeking recognition
An editorial in Egypt's Al Jazeera magazine (no relation to the well known News Agency) demonstrates a typical theocratic attitude in Egypt. The issue is the attempt by citizens of Egypt who adhere to the Baha'i Faith to have their religious affiliation listed on their government issued ID cards.
You see, Egypt requires all of its citizens to list their religion on their mandatory ID cards, and lying on those cards is a criminal offense. Trouble is, Egypt only allows a choice between three religions: Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. This leaves Egypt's Baha'is in no man's land, because Egypt does not recognize their religion, so believers are forced to choose between one criminal act (lying) and another (refusing the card).
Baha'is have been fighting their government to be allowed to list their affiliation, but so far to no avail, and opinions such as that linked above are unfortunately a reflection of the majority view. As Egypt's theocratic thinkers see it, there simply are no other religions, so the issue is simply moot. Baha'is' seeking of recognition is viewed not only as fractious, but Satanic.
altreligion.about.com/b/a/257357.htm
Satanic" Baha'is seeking recognition
An editorial in Egypt's Al Jazeera magazine (no relation to the well known News Agency) demonstrates a typical theocratic attitude in Egypt. The issue is the attempt by citizens of Egypt who adhere to the Baha'i Faith to have their religious affiliation listed on their government issued ID cards.
You see, Egypt requires all of its citizens to list their religion on their mandatory ID cards, and lying on those cards is a criminal offense. Trouble is, Egypt only allows a choice between three religions: Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. This leaves Egypt's Baha'is in no man's land, because Egypt does not recognize their religion, so believers are forced to choose between one criminal act (lying) and another (refusing the card).
Baha'is have been fighting their government to be allowed to list their affiliation, but so far to no avail, and opinions such as that linked above are unfortunately a reflection of the majority view. As Egypt's theocratic thinkers see it, there simply are no other religions, so the issue is simply moot. Baha'is' seeking of recognition is viewed not only as fractious, but Satanic.
altreligion.about.com/b/a/257357.htm
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Re: is this good for so-call civilize nation?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 6:41 AMZain, thank you so much for posting this information. I responded to the article, you can check out the website, but I'm posting my response here as well, as I saw that they are censoring some of the responses they are receiving. Here is what I wrote:
This person cannot justify his claim that the Baha'i Faith would bring disorder to Egypt. It is baseless.
Baha'is believe that the purpose of life is to know and worship God, to acquire virtues, to promote the oneness of mankind, and to carry forward an ever-advancing civilization. All humanity was created by one God and is part of one human race. Baha'is practice daily prayer and communion with God, high moral principles, including trustworthiness, chastity and honesty, a life dedicated to the service of humanity and fellowship with the followers of all religions. Baha'is avoid excessive materialism, partisan politics, backbiting, alcohol, drugs, and gambling.
Baha'i social principles include racial and gender equality, harmony between science and religion, spiritual solutions to economic problems, and recognition of the common origin and fundamental unity of purpose of all religions.
To whom would these beliefs and principles spell anything other than PEACE and PROGRESS?
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account from those present
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 12:49 PMGo here for links/pics:
arabist.net/arabawy/2006...sectarianism/
Bigotry and sectarianism par excellence
Published by Hossam el-Hamalawy December 16th, 2006 in Egypt, Activism, Human Rights, Religion, Bloggers
I arrived at the State Council building in Giza at 10am sharp, and I knew it was gonna be a bad day. I had already spoken with rights activists and bloggers involved in the solidarity with the Egyptian Bahaai’s–and we were all expecting a rotten verdict. And our guesses were right.
Dozens of Bahaai’s, rights activists, lawyers and journalists crammed up in the court room, when the judge finally threw his bomb, declaring the government had the right not to acknowledge the Bahaai’ faith, and keep its institutional racism…
Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights
Press Release- 16 December 2006
Government Must Find Solution for Baha’i Egyptians
Egypt’s Supreme Administrative Court today found the government may not recognize the Bahai’i faith in official identification documents, leaving Baha’i Egyptian citizens unable to obtain necessary documents that must include a citizen’s religion, such as birth or death certificates and identity cards.
“Today’s regrettable decision throws the ball in the government’s court,” said Hossam Bahgat, Director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), which represented the Baha’is in the case. “The government must find a solution now for the hundreds of citizens who used to be able to obtain official documents recognizing their faith for more than five decades until the government decided recently to change its policy and force them to choose between Islam and Christianity.”
The EIPR said the press release issued by the Chief Judge of the Court today did not respond to any of the legal arguments and evidence submitted by the EIPR in the case. The press release only discussed the tenets of the Baha’i faith, which fell outside the scope of this lawsuit. The question before the court was about the legality of forcing Egyptian citizens to falsely adopt Islam or Christianity in order to obtain official documents that are necessary in their daily lives.
Today’s decision overturned an April 2004 ruling by the lower Administrative Justice Court in favor of Baha’i Egyptians. The decision also reversed the position of the Supreme Administrative Court whish had found in 1983 that Baha’is had the right to have their religious affiliation included in official documents even if the Baha’i faith was not “recognized” in Egypt as a religion.
The EIPR will wait for the written decision to be issued in the coming days before determining its new legal strategy in the fight for Baha’i Egyptians citizenship rights.
The moments that followed announcing the verdict were an example of bigotry and sectarianism par excellence. Two bearded men started shouting: “Allahu Akbar! Islam is victorious!”
Another veiled woman, joined in the chanting. “God’s religion is Islam! Bahaai’s are infidels! They are infidels! Allahu Akbar!” The woman then knelt and kissed the floor. She then stood up, and continued her hysterical outcry outside the court room in the corridor. “Bahaai’s are the cause of problems in Iraq! They also destroyed Lebanon!!” she kept on screaming. I had no clue what the heck she was talking about, and did not know if I should laugh or cry. It was pure bigotry. “They are germs in our society!”
As I was standing to watch the ongoing circus, a civil servant who worked at the court building apporached me.
“What is this business of Bahaai’s?” he asked. “Is it a new movement?”
“No. It’s a religion,” I answered.
He paused for few seconds, looked at the Bahaai’s in tears outside the court, and then looked back at me. “They’ll go to hell, the sons of %$#^”
Meanwhile, the veiled woman and the bearded men were still raving… and they were joined by the janitors, plainclothes building security personnel. Hatred. Hatred. Hatred. That was the atmosphere.
Fifteen minutes later, I went downstairs. Nora, Sherif, Sharqawi and I stood in front of building entrance on the stairsteps, carrying banners made out of enlarged photocopies of Hossam Ezzat’s I.D. card, that had his Bahaai’ faith written in the “Religion” entry.
The four of us stood silent carrying the banners, while people gathered, and another chapter of bigotry and hatred started showering our ears. This is for example one conversation I and the other protestors were having with the crowd.
“Are you Bahaai’s?” one asks.
“No, we are Muslims actually,” I answer.
“Why do you support Bahaai’s?”
“They are citizens of this country, and have the right to have ID cards.”
“This is an Islamic country, we don’t agree with their religion.”
“We (protestors) don’t agree with their religion. We don’t think it’s good or bad. We are talking about their right to have an ID card, to be able to enroll their kids at school, to get birth and death certificates issued by the government, and not to be persecuted or arrested. It’s simple.”
“But this is an Islamic country.”
“Well, we have Christians here too, right? And I’m sure there are few Jews around. They get ID cards, don’t they?”
“Christians and Jews believe in God. Those Bahaai’s are infidels.”
“Bahaai’s believe in a God too, I can assure you. But that’s not the point. What do you propose we should do with them? They are here. Should we just get rid of them all, and burn them alive?! They are here in this country, and they are around, and they want to live in peace.”
“They should go back to where they came from!”
“Dude, I’m telling you, they are Egyptians. Their fathers were Egyptians, and their grandfathers were Egyptians too! Where should we send them?!”
“You know… You yourselves can’t be Egyptians. You do not look like Egyptians.”
“You got us man. We are from Mozambique.”
UPDATE: Al-Masry Al-Youm, whose journalist did not bother interviewing any of the protestors, ran a ludicrous report on the following day saying Bahaai’s (not bloggers) were demonstrating outside the court. One photo had Nora Younis, a secular leftist Muslim blogger, carrying a banner, while the caption read: “A female Bahaai protestor” !!!!
UPDATE: Mukhtar al-Azizi uploaded two videos to YouTube: One where I and leftist lawyer Emad Mubarak having an argument with an anti-Bahaai citizen. The other is of a first class bigot who was applauding the verdict and accusing me and the protestors of being “Jews, non-Egyptians, sons of dogs…” Mukhtar also has a photo gallery here. -
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Re: account from those present
Fri, January 5, 2007 - 6:28 AMits too sad that egypt cannt accomodate small community. they accept only jews, christians, and muslims as religion. what about hindu, buddist, jains. there is a hindu temple kashi vishvanath, hindu regard it one of the highest pilgramage. that temple official musician was a muslim and he was awarded highest indian national award. he died recently his name was mismillah khan. (can anybody light on shehnai and bismillah khan)
i live in india i am muslim a minority community. our president is muslim. we never face such small things. and manipulated drama!!
zain from hyderabad
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